The two companies seem to be taking each others Ideas, If the Titanium stuff is true nVidia has taken ATI's Idea of numbering therer video cards

And it looks like ATI has started creating many neat little graphics demos to show off there cards just like nVidia did...

There are many other things that I can't think of now that I've noticed the 2 companies have seemed to cooincide on...

Not to mention they're both trying to up the ante for integrated chipsets. ATI's integrated P4 chipset has RV200(aka radeon 7500)integrated on it. http://www.reactorcritical.com/#l861

RV200 video card will run worse than a regular 7500 video card I think.

How did Ati copy Nvidia with the tech demo's?
THATS NOTHING NEW IN THE INDUSTRY, every company has ech demos, to show off what there cards can do.

quote:Originally posted by steppy76:
Not to mention they're both trying to up the ante for integrated chipsets. ATI's integrated P4 chipset has RV200(aka radeon 7500)integrated on it. http://www.reactorcritical.com/#l861

Oh wow, yeah that is a major one also, nVidia talks about the nForce, and lately i've heard a bit of rumbling about the Radeon integrated chipset, also The Radeon Mobility looks like it is getting ready to do some major copetition with the geForce 2 go

they all copied 3dfx

YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG NOTICE THAT ATI IS COPYING NVIDIA.

NVIDIA COMES OUT WITH THE TECH THEN ATI COPYIES.
1. NFORCE THEN ATI'S MOTHERBOARD
2. 3RD MANUFACTURING COMPANIES THEN ATI MOVE TO 3RD MANUFACTURING COMPANIES
3. NVIDIA 250MHZ/500MHZ THEN ATI COMES OUT WITH THE SAME MEMORY SETTINGS.
4. NVIDIA SHADER 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.3 THEN ATI COMES OUT WITH SMART SHADER 1.4.
5. NVIDIA HARDWARE T&L THEN ATI COMES OUT WITH T&L.
6. EXCELLENT UNIFIED DRIVERS THEN ATI MOVE TO BETTER THEIR DRIVERS WHICH TOOK THEM 5 GENERATIONS OF THEIR CARDS AND NVIDIA'S STAGGERING SHADOW TO DO SO. (NOT EVEN THE WEIGHT OF UNHAPPY CUSTOMERS NOR THE PIONEERINGS OF 3DFX MOVED ATI TO IMPROVE DRIVERS AS MUCH AS NVIDIA'S WAKE!).

Of course I don't think That Hyper-Z and Occusional Buffering is the same!?!?,but they do save bandwidth to a degree. Its always good for 3d to support everything no matter the cost. LOL.

quote:Originally posted by AlexDude99:
3. NVIDIA 250MHZ/500MHZ THEN ATI COMES OUT WITH THE SAME MEMORY SETTINGS.
4. NVIDIA SHADER 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.3 THEN ATI COMES OUT WITH SMART SHADER 1.4.
6. EXCELLENT UNIFIED DRIVERS THEN ATI MOVE TO BETTER THEIR DRIVERS WHICH TOOK THEM 5 GENERATIONS OF THEIR CARDS AND NVIDIA'S STAGGERING SHADOW TO DO SO. (NOT EVEN THE WEIGHT OF UNHAPPY CUSTOMERS MOVED ATI TO IMPROVE DRIVERS AS MUCH AS NVIDIA'S WAKE!).

eh?

3. It was bound to happen.
4. It was bound to happen.
6. So i guess nvidia is copying off matrox.

Get real!

A Copy is a Copy is a Copy is a Copy!

Matrox is nowhere near the Driver performance and tech. behind Nvidia. If they were even close they would be still in the race would'in they.

Unified driver streach all the way from Riva cards to TNT,TNT2,TNT2 Ultra, Geforce SDR, Geforce DDR, Geforce2 MX200, Geforce2 MX, Geforce2 MX400, Geforce2 GTS/PRO/ULTRA, Geforce2 GO, Quadro, Quadro2 MXR, Quadro2 PRO, Geforce3.

That is a large array of cards for a driver to keep stable and run efficiently with all features and future features added on with just a simiple update of the drivers.

quote:Originally posted by AlexDude99:
YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG NOTICE THAT ATI IS COPYING NVIDIA.

NVIDIA COMES OUT WITH THE TECH THEN ATI COPYIES.
1. NFORCE THEN ATI'S MOTHERBOARD
2. 3RD MANUFACTURING COMPANIES THEN ATI MOVE TO 3RD MANUFACTURING COMPANIES
3. NVIDIA 250MHZ/500MHZ THEN ATI COMES OUT WITH THE SAME MEMORY SETTINGS.
4. NVIDIA SHADER 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.3 THEN ATI COMES OUT WITH SMART SHADER 1.4.
5. NVIDIA HARDWARE T&L THEN ATI COMES OUT WITH T&L.
6. EXCELLENT UNIFIED DRIVERS THEN ATI MOVE TO BETTER THEIR DRIVERS WHICH TOOK THEM 5 GENERATIONS OF THEIR CARDS AND NVIDIA'S STAGGERING SHADOW TO DO SO. (NOT EVEN THE WEIGHT OF UNHAPPY CUSTOMERS NOR THE PIONEERINGS OF 3DFX MOVED ATI TO IMPROVE DRIVERS AS MUCH AS NVIDIA'S WAKE!).

Of course I don't think That Hyper-Z and Occusional Buffering is the same!?!?,but they do save bandwidth to a degree. Its always good for 3d to support everything no matter the cost. LOL.

copying or not we need the competition...#2 was a good move for ati because it increases revenue...ati doesn't wait to see what nvidia will do and then copy it or make it better...otherwise the company would have no direction...and they would've been dead a long time ago....and plz...lay off the caps...

1) Seeing as how ATI had an integrated chipset long before Nvidia did (through ArtX purchase) I'd hardly call it ATI copying... If anything the other way around.

2) I guess this one could go to Nvidia so to speak, but then again, Nvidia doesn't make their own excellent quality cards like ATI does. ATI is just expanding, Nvidia doesn't have a choice.

3) Um. yea, and AMD copied Intel by releasing an 800mhz CPU, then Intel copied AMD by releasing a 1ghz CPU, then AMD blablabla. Get real.

4) What did you think 1.0 was going to be the be all end all of pixel shaders? It isn't about copying, it's about expanding capabilities, and ATI is ahead of Nvidia here. 1.4 is significantly more flexible and powerful that v1.3 shaders.

5) Hrm... and Nvidia came up with T&L all by themselves yes? SGI never did anything like that. Nope.

6) Unified drivers have strengths and weaknesses. ATI is smart IMO to be unifying the Radeon and above drivers, inclusing of Rage series drivers would be silly. And if you hadn't noticed, most folks with anything less than a GeForce find any of the Det3 versions of drivers of no improvement, or in many cases detrimental to their performance. Like I said, strengths and weaknesses.

In otherwords, you're pretty much full of it AlexDude99. If you're going to blather about one company copying another, why aren't you crying foul how all the graphics companies these days are just repackaging technology SGI pioneered years ago for the masses hmmm? ya, I thought so, you didn't know any better.

bleh. wasn't really worth the post, but i dunno, guess I was in that kind of a mood.

ATi had HyperZ first, the GF3's 'occlusion detection' is like Hierachical Z, the GF3 has 3 memory saving techniques, just like the Radeon. a clear copy.

Matrox had EMBM first, a long time ago (G400), ATi and Nvidia (as late as GF3) copied EMBM.

the pixel shader stuff is numbered, so, if you progress, no matter what you do and how fundamental it is, it'll get coded as DX 8.x+1

volumetric textures aren't even present on a GF3, see http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/003918-2.html

but the Radeon1 has this feature.

and n-patches ('truform') are not 'exactly' a copy of polynomial surfaces...

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Isn't copying how our economy works? Company A comes up with an idea and makes money. Company B see's Company A is making money and wants some of the action. Company B makes a simlar product that Company A has. Company B sells the slighly modified product for less then or the same as company A. WAAHHLAHHH Competition.

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